Curse

MithranArkanere · Aug 07, 2007, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Screw inscriptions. I want Free Chests in Tyria!

Seriously, if the issue is making nice Golds more attainable to casual players, Free Chests would be an ideal solution. All my usable Golds have come from Free Chests in Nightfall.

Yay... gold drops from treasures are usable because they almost always come inscribed.

A nice stave with ugly upgrades but with a perfect base can be turned in just what I was needing.

And remember that treasures are limited to one use per about a month or so.

Althought it wouldbe really nice having treasures in all four regions (one more in pre-Searin would be also cool, XD), leaving drops not inscribed would fix nothing.

One of the main reasosn for changes Anet does is to prevent a single player to get too much cash from a single drop. So... do you think Anet has no reason to do so?
All my guildies and allies would love it... so... why should the opinion of a few players in aforum be more important?

Read this, and pay attention: I bet the small fingers of my hands that if they made a poll by NPCs inside the game about this, about the 95% of the players would vote for a YES to worldwide inscriptions, as long as items with properties that do not have equivalents are untouched, or new inscriptions and modifiers are added to match them.

You know that. And nothing you say would change the truth.

Snow Bunny · Aug 07, 2007, 05:53 PM // 17:53

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Read this, and pay attention: I bet the small fingers of my hands that if they made a poll by NPCs inside the game about this, about the 95% of the players would vote for a YES to worldwide inscriptions, as long as items with properties that do not have equivalents are untouched, or new inscriptions and modifiers are added to match them.

You know that. And nothing you say would change the truth.

Mmmhm.
I also bet that that 95% of the players would like to make getting rank emotes easier, (I remember how many people were complaining in HA when they nerfed heroway this weekend) make luxon/kurzick titles easier than they are, make keys cheaper, and the list goes on....
invalid argument.

TabascoSauce · Aug 07, 2007, 05:53 PM // 17:53

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

shenanigans? I call ignorance.

Combos NOT Availible. read it. These combos CANNOT be replicated through pvp or NF INSCRIPTIONS. Sometimes overall armor is better then a +30. This helps my point because i'm saying Oofus has a good point.
Example :
You cannot make a req divine staff with a 20% healing prayers HCT on it with the new system.

Whoa.

I recall not one but several threads either started or heavily contributed by Lyra where she detailed what specific profession(s) attributes did not have various two handed or one handed focii. Lots of detail on mods, inscriptions, how to replicate things, and what cannot be done.

I think Lyra knows who can do what to items.

Look for the message in what she writes. Heck, I am not really following this thread, and I think you are focusing on the perceived harm to you from this change. That's what blows me away - in a few years or so, the servers are being turned off. Ka-poof.

All this nonsense for a virtual item, that will 1) absolutely not get you a date with a person of the opposite gender 2) not feed any poor or homeless 3) not cure any diseases 4) not do anything but give you a bigger e-peen.

Its not real. The world will keep rotating - trust me.

That brings me to your compadre, boko.

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Originally Posted by boko

You are motivated by what YOU want.

Hey Pot, this is Kettle.

So, you have moral outrage because she is motivated by what she wants.

So, uh, what's your motivation bub?

Do I have to write you a special note about how none of this is real? Oh yeah, just scroll up a few lines, and remember - these super-items will not solve the United States Federal Deficit, but hearing your whining an outside observer might be tempted to think so.

Get over it! Adapt! (snicker)

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

MithranArkanere · Aug 07, 2007, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Mmmhm.
I also bet that that 95% of the players would like to make getting rank emotes easier, (I remember how many people were complaining in HA when they nerfed heroway this weekend) make luxon/kurzick titles easier than they are, make keys cheaper, and the list goes on....
invalid argument.

They made Lucon/Kurzick easier already, and sunspear and lightbringer with hard mode, and lucky/unlucky with chests, and with the changes in AI, xarthographer and Protector are easie too. And they will make some changes to Gladiator.

Finally, after some time, when people start moving to GW2, they will be easier than ever. So people get all stuff, get bored and buy the next game.

I cannot believe you didn't know that. It's basic marketing.

boko · Aug 07, 2007, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by Spazzer

If you can't debate like an adult, you shouldn't be pointing your fingers at other people for the supposed problem with the community. As far as I could tell, despite the fact that we've been repeating the same point over and over again, this has been very civil.

And since when was I not debating like an adult? Was it me that was using pretext of balance to justify his point? Since when was I talking irrationaly?
Or is it that you basically have nothing to say to most of my point and that you have to try to pretend than I was not discussing pilitely the issue just so you can pretend to be right? Since when did I say the discussion was not civil? You want to put words in my mouth just to prove you right? Childish attidtude?

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Do you want me to argue on behalf of not adding inscriptions? I could do that too.

Yes. Maybe you should. That would make you consider all sides of the equation instead of seeing only what you want.

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Well of course i have a bias. I never said i wasnt. I do have an opinion on the matter after all.

So you know that you are biased, and for your information just having "an opinion afterall" does not need you to be biased. Some people can have opinions after considering all sides. Which you obviously are not doing. Then you are clearly in the wrong.

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

I have weighed the costs vs the benefits and I personally think its worth it. Simple as that. Not to be mean, but its just collateral damage to me, to you, to everyone with good stat-ed rare items.

You are telling me that there is NO WAY that both sides can come out happy in this argument? Or are you so desperate to drive people away? There is always a middle/gray zone. It's you and others who ain't even wanting to consider them.

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Hmn...even though the title of the thread seems menacing, when i read the OP, its an open call for discussion asking how we felt about it, hence, me posting. Didn't you read the op?

Oh I did read the OP. But the way the discussion is going. For example, in your case. uh huh. People only interested in seeing what THEY want. Riiggghht...talk about a witchhunt...

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Im not trying to cry or pressure Anet, lord knows they got enough problems with PvPers.

Im pointing out the reasoning if/when such change does happen and why it would be beneficial to a lot more players, since some people are ignoring those reasons altogether, in favor of maintaining a status quo that only benefits them.

Reread my above point. Are you really sure there is no middle point?

boko · Aug 07, 2007, 06:25 PM // 18:25

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Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

Hey Pot, this is Kettle.

So, you have moral outrage because she is motivated by what she wants.

So, uh, what's your motivation bub?

Do I have to write you a special note about how none of this is real? Oh yeah, just scroll up a few lines, and remember - these super-items will not solve the United States Federal Deficit, but hearing your whining an outside observer might be tempted to think so.

Get over it! Adapt! (snicker)

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

Please dun't compare me to you guys.

I am not looking in trying to keep my uber items. I dun't have any of those. I am not looking to see what I want, like certain people. I am trying to find that middle ground where both party are happy. Is that so hard? Is driving away people the only you think that it can work?

lyra_song · Aug 07, 2007, 06:34 PM // 18:34

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Originally Posted by boko

Yes. Maybe you should. That would make you consider all sides of the equation instead of seeing only what you want.

I have considered both sides, and supporting inscriptions is the side i chose because the benefits outweigh the costs after considering who is affected, and what will be affected.

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So you know that you are biased, and for your information just having "an opinion afterall" does not need you to be biased. Some people can have opinions after considering all sides. Which you obviously are not doing. Then you are clearly in the wrong.

LOL. How can i be clearly wrong about MY OWN OPINION? You dont make any sense. Opinions cannot be right or wrong.

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You are telling me that there is NO WAY that both sides can come out happy in this argument? Or are you so desperate to drive people away? There is always a middle/gray zone. It's you and others who ain't even wanting to consider them.

LOL. Didnt i suggest early on in the thread to have both inscribable and uninscribable items drop? Did you miss that?

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Oh I did read the OP. But the way the discussion is going. For example, in your case. uh huh. People only interested in seeing what THEY want. Riiggghht...talk about a witchhunt...

I can say the exact same thing about you. So whats your point?

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Reread my above point. Are you really sure there is no middle point?

I never denied that there was no compromise....didnt you read MY posts?

Boko. Youre being unproductive. Stop strawmanning.

Instead of attacking me, counter my points.

TabascoSauce · Aug 07, 2007, 06:37 PM // 18:37

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Originally Posted by boko

I am trying to find that middle ground where both party are happy. Is that so hard? Is driving away people the only you think that it can work?

If you are looking for the middle ground, then kudos to you. Me, I have a few items that might sell for some cash, but do you see me crying about how special items will now be common?

No.

The real world, just like the Guild Wars game world, is large enough that your success does not mean my failure.

That is what I love poking fun at everyone about - it is all electrons. Everyone have have FoW and Tormented Shields, and they'll still be awesome and cool looking. They'll still have the same stats.

So, what, people are losing their minds because they went on some crazy treadmill to get this stuff, and then the possibility exists that we can persuade ANet that "Gosh, that is a bit much grind/etc" and make things easier, and zooooooooooooooom there they go all excited, and mad.

We're so competitive as a society and world that evidently, people do not like to see others being successful. It has worked its way in here, and these nutjobs are crying that "OMG Sky Falling! Our precious achievement engine is being GIVEN AWAY!" Uh, no, there are not a limited number of anything in this game, and your real milk will still be in your real fridge when all is said and done.

Its not real. The world will still rotate.

I know, I am speaking to the choir, but its funny, and they deserve to be laughed at.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

Snow Bunny · Aug 07, 2007, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

If you are looking for the middle ground, then kudos to you. Me, I have a few items that might sell for some cash, but do you see me crying about how special items will now be common?

No.

The real world, just like the Guild Wars game world, is large enough that your success does not mean my failure.

That is what I love poking fun at everyone about - it is all electrons. Everyone have have FoW and Tormented Shields, and they'll still be awesome and cool looking. They'll still have the same stats.

So, what, people are losing their minds because they went on some crazy treadmill to get this stuff, and then the possibility exists that we can persuade ANet that "Gosh, that is a bit much grind/etc" and make things easier, and zooooooooooooooom there they go all excited, and mad.

We're so competitive as a society and world that evidently, people do not like to see others being successful. It has worked its way in here, and these nutjobs are crying that "OMG Sky Falling! Our precious achievement engine is being GIVEN AWAY!" Uh, no, there are not a limited number of anything in this game, and your real milk will still be in your real fridge when all is said and done.

Its not real. The world will still rotate.

I know, I am speaking to the choir, but its funny, and they deserve to be laughed at.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

Alright. Well...
This post doesn't address the actual topic in the slightest. You're just saying that people are debating over pixels. On that assumption you might as well say that we might not debate over money because we're all going to die anyway.
Crap argument

lyra, I suppose I argue against a larger generalization of the inscription system because it takes the sheer interest out of prophecies. Proph skins aren't all that interesting, and the reason certain weapons have been so attractive is because they are so difficult to acquire.

I mean, those Req8 perfect fellblades are amazing. With the inscription system, you don't see any q8 max weapons (I haven't at least, and no one else I know has either), and so with the inscription system, you begin to turn the items towards utility as opposed to aesthetics, which is largely a pointless move, because max weapons are so easy to acquire in the first place.

Thus, the only purpose of a Q8 perfect weapon is that it's a. rare b. interesting c. pretty good skin.

And while you may argue that unconditional items have an advantage, if you're not tailoring multiple weapon sets to deal with every possibility in pvp that you can, why bother attempting pvp to win?

I don't care so much about the value of the weapon decreasing so much as I care about the fact that the weapon will cease to be interesting and "cool" because it is no longer rare because of its inherent perfection.

The Herbalizer · Aug 07, 2007, 06:53 PM // 18:53

I have decided to leave this thread. But once I get more time to be in-game I am considering buying every Gold R8 imperfect Crystalline, Dwarven Axe, trash R7 and any other rare skinned item. This will safe guard my wealth against any possible addition of inscriptions to existing items. I have plenty of mules to hold the items and plenty of spare gold to spend. I guess the rich only get richer

If added I will be able to admire the hundreds if not thousands of ecto profit I could make.

I would like to thank however, all of those who are in favour of existing items becoming inscriptable. Your persistant arguing has inspired me to safe guard my wealth and potentially make a load more.

Anet cant and wont take away my wealth.

*Leans back with a big grin on face*

boko · Aug 07, 2007, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

I have considered both sides, and supporting inscriptions is the side i chose because the benefits outweigh the costs after considering who is affected, and what will be affected..

You mean in the event that you will not be affected?

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

LOL. How can i be clearly wrong about MY OWN OPINION? You dont make any sense. Opinions cannot be right or wrong.

Yes. Coz Hitler had a very specific opinion on Jews, and we all know how wrong he was. An opinion can be wrong if you dun't consider a situation from all perspectives. That's a very basic thing.

Just because you only see one side of a person and think that a person is a very good person or a jerk does not make it true. In other words, your opinion is wrong. Sorry to burst your bubble but opinions can be wrong.

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

LOL. Didnt i suggest early on in the thread to have both inscribable and uninscribable items drop? Did you miss that?

So did I , Yet you ignored it. And now again you talk about collateral damage as if it was inevitable.

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

I can say the exact same thing about you. So whats your point?
I never denied that there was no compromise....didnt you read MY posts?
Boko. Youre being unproductive. Stop strawmanning.
Instead of attacking me, counter my points.

Strawmanning? unproductive? I am making the discussion move. Showing you that you are not considering all the eventualities, and moving it towards that middle ground. Now how about you? Where are you moving the topic? Or are you being unproductive and sticking to you stance, refusing to consider other people views? Making the topic stay still, and telling me that I am unproductive when the whole of your comment is only defending yourself and not trying to help the community? Counter your arguments? Did I not already done that? Selective memory?

MithranArkanere · Aug 07, 2007, 06:57 PM // 18:57

So far, the only reason give not to add inscriptions worldwide is to hoard items as cash.

- Non existing combinations? Anet can add them if they want to. They already added many new upgrades with Nightfall. Other would just be left untouched (i.e.: Icy Dragon Sword, Collectors, Crafted, Quest rewards, etc...)
- Lose of rarity? Eh... no... a longsword would stay common and a elemental sword would stay rare. The diffenrce is that two req9 elemental swodrs would have much similar prices, instead of increasing and increasing values dependand on fixed modifiers. And Anet do not want such price increases. A req 8 will always be a req 8. And do not say they would stop dropping, because I got many req 8 common, purple and gold weapons and offhands.
- Lose of vaue? Eh... Anet do not care about that. If items drop their value, it's a gold sink. And that's good for 'economy'. Remember the 100k gold limit in trades? It's not precisely there to help increasing prices.
- Stop the game evolution and making it more like it was on the Beta? Heh... yeah, whatever! Let's go BACKWARDS! Let's unerf everything and have fun with umbalance! Yay!... sigh...

But people that agree with the change have their reasons:
- Make both rare and common skins more usable, so there is more variety in characters' equipment. In Nightfall you can see many people using many different weapons. With prophecies and Factions, they almost always where using green weapons and such. Isn't boring to have everyone wearing the Exalted Aegis?
- Allow players to reuse their own equipment, just by changing upgrades, much like you can with Armor. And... oh... they upgraded armor... (and there were people against that too, heh)
- Make prices more dependant on skin and fixed properties. What really makes items different.

So... is there any other reason other than "I don't want to. Period"?
Please, add it. Come on. Hm... hm... I'm waiting... I'm waiting...

Mohnzh · Aug 07, 2007, 07:06 PM // 19:06

Reading this thread, I can't help but think that most of the contributors would prefer to live in socialistic/communistic societies. "Make everything able to be had by everyone so that everyone can have fun". Kudos on knowing what is fun for everyone. Kudos on masking your Marxist beliefs with democracy "95% of the people would go for it!" If you took a poll of every person in your country, and the poll asked "Would you like to be given a million US dollars?" much greater than 99% would say yes. Of course, this would be ridiculous. The only point in that example is this: just because everyone wants something does not make it ideal. It was in no way an analogy for the inscription scenario.

I cannot speak for other people, but I can speak for myself and I notice I am a direct contradiction of much of what Spazzer (and others) claims are absolutes. I am not a PvPer. I am not a collector. I have farmed in the past, but never frequently. I did enjoy it when I did. I used to trade a lot when Prophecies was the only campaign. I rarely trade now because it takes too long. I rarely have anything worth trading. I do customize my weapons for absolutely no other reason than I know I will never want anything else so I might as well for the extra damage. I am against inscribable items becoming most common. I am for people earning what they get. I only have a few perfect weapons, and they are all green that I got from drops or from endgame. I do not use any inscribable weapons. I am dirt poor right now (1.5k) because I spent all my money getting my Elona Skill hunter title. Throughout the game I have probably earned well in excess of 1000plat. I am considered a "casual" player, not hard-core. I have worked very hard to get KOABD, but will most likely never achieve the next rank. I do not want it to become easier to get the next rank. The rarity of superb items is very appealing to me for the same reason I don't want the next max title rank to be any easier than it already is. I actually want to be challenged. Even if that means finding it difficult to get certain weapon attributes.

As you can see, I would be one of those people that would gain everything and lose nothing by making inscriptions available in all campaigns. But I am not for it.

I really believe that importing inscriptions into the other two campaigns is overly socialistic and demotivating. Yes, everybody can get what they want. How is that fun? It may be fun initially, but it will lose its flavor rapidly. How is that challenging? How does that promote the virtual economy that was the main selling point of Guild Wars when it was originally established? Economies require a wide variety of value, as well as a wide variety of socio-economic classes, in order to thrive properly. I miss the days where materials and sub-max dmg purples were traded just as much as everything else. That was a true economy. Make everything inscribable, and there will be no economy. There would still be a few things, such as elite tomes, but the economy would have only a handful of participants involving only a handful of items. I remember when almost nothing got merched. Now almost everything is. That is because it is too easy to become rich. There are no low income players that want the sub-elite items. The big thing that blew it apart was how rapidly players can achieve level 20 now, but that is another discussion. The fact is, the Guild Wars economy has become socialized already so far that there is very little economy. Porting inscriptions would be the final nail-in-the-coffin to destroy what used to be Guild Wars best feature.

Is this selfish? Yes. I want what I want just like everyone else. The only difference here, is that I do not benefit in game from getting what I want. I think the remarks about people being only "interested in what they want" are the most blatant examples of stating the obvious. Everyone who posts will say what they want to see. Be brave enough and humble enough to recognize you speak for no one but yourself.

Nothing worth having is easy.

Make something easy and it will no longer be worth having.

The majority of people want easy.

seut · Aug 07, 2007, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Originally Posted by boko

Yes. Coz Hitler had a very specific opinion on Jews

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law

this thread has reached the lowest possible discussion level..
admins, close it please!

Shuuda · Aug 07, 2007, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Anet cant and wont take away my wealth.

Unless they ban and delete your account.

Loviatar · Aug 07, 2007, 07:20 PM // 19:20

i will give my reason for wanting to be able to change inscriptions around

in all the time since the game started i have not had one single offhand drop that my caster could use........not one

my monk did not meet the expertise req
my nec did not meet the devine favor req
etc

i got many many drops that i wished i could use but the fixed requirements were impossible to meet for me.

note that if it CAN be done it WILL be done eventually

NOTE THE TITLE OF THE THREAD ALL............HARDCORE COLLECTORS

also note that every time in the past that NCsoft/Anet has had to make a choice between a small hardcore group and the general mass player that it has always gone against the small hardcore group.

not one single exception so far and i do not see why this should be any different then all those others

TabascoSauce · Aug 07, 2007, 07:21 PM // 19:21

Did factions ruin GW? No. Did the freebie infinitely duplicable pre-order weapons ruin GW? No. Has anything ANet done so far wrecked or ruined GW? No. Would adding inscribability to everything ruin GW? No. Would making everything inscribable suddenly allow everyone to magically get good inscriptions, hilts, wrappings, etc so they will customize everything with uber leet mods? No. Will the inscribability remove the economy? No. Is the GW economy socialized? No? Does the previous poster actually understand various methods of controlling economies? No. Does everyone want everything? No. Does everyone want to play GW? No.

Why is the previous poster convince that GW will implode if everything becomes inscribable? It doesnt matter - he's just another "world is ending / sky is falling" poster who is trying to call us all commies.

Are you seeing a trend? Since you have no logic to show us, take your Chicken Little act on the road, bub.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

Edit - credit where credit is due, this post is towards Mohnzh.

MithranArkanere · Aug 07, 2007, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by Mohnzh

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Nothing worth having is easy.

Make something easy and it will no longer be worth having.

The majority of people want easy.

Hehe... easy, eh? Well... I want you to invite me on a party, let me follow you and see how you get an 'easy' Icy Blade Axe. You'll have one hour. I'll follow you wherever you go, and I you manage to get it dropped and it's assigned to me, you may keep it.

Sorry, but I have already discarded that. Skin rarity will stay. Only weapon usability will increase.

You can already get a perfect Ascalon Longbow from a collector. The point is to make the same skin dropped from monsters more versatile, better than collector's.

Longasc · Aug 07, 2007, 07:55 PM // 19:55

I think GWEN would be the perfect opportunity to introduce inscriptions to Prophecies and Factions. Was it not even mentioned in one of the interviews?

I doubt that old weapons/shield/foci will get retroactive inscription slots!

Just the new drops. This might also end the -2/-2 shields and other stuff that dropped only in Prophecies.

Maybe collectors can then be relieved that some of their items will truly stay rarities...

All this protectionism of virtual wealth is quite hilarious, I would say it is quite selfish and rather dumb to vote against this system.

Before Nightfall, I could count on the fingers of one hand how often I got one staff with proper, non-mixed or silly stats or a shield that had the desired max stats. It was was waste of many nice skins, because collector weapon could offer what only a very tiny fraction of all drops could, decent stats that were not mixed together by a weird random generator.

lyra_song · Aug 07, 2007, 07:59 PM // 19:59

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Originally Posted by boko

You mean in the event that you will not be affected?

I am completely affected both positively and negatively if/when this change were to occured. Didnt i mention that already?

i will repeat. AGAIN.

I have weighed the positive and negative effects (including on myself) and i have come to the conclusion that the positive effects outweigh the negative.

I have a few rare Tyrian/Canthan items and i dont mind sacrificing them if it meant better items for everyone else.

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Yes. Coz Hitler had a very specific opinion on Jews, and we all know how wrong he was. An opinion can be wrong if you dun't consider a situation from all perspectives. That's a very basic thing.

Just because you only see one side of a person and think that a person is a very good person or a jerk does not make it true. In other words, your opinion is wrong. Sorry to burst your bubble but opinions can be wrong.

OMG you just did the hitler. LOL. Ok...ok...ok, let me clarify.

Theres nothing LOGICALLY wrong with an opinion since opinions do not require any logic. An opinion can be MORALLY or ETHICALLY wrong, but we're not talking about morality or ethics, since that is not the issue being debated.

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So did I , Yet you ignored it. And now again you talk about collateral damage as if it was inevitable.

So what if i ignored it. The point was given already. And since there was no counterpoint against it, theres no reason to return to that point.

I completely believe it is inevitable. So whats your point?

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Strawmanning? unproductive? I am making the discussion move. Showing you that you are not considering all the eventualities, and moving it towards that middle ground. Now how about you? Where are you moving the topic? Or are you being unproductive and sticking to you stance, refusing to consider other people views? Making the topic stay still, and telling me that I am unproductive when the whole of your comment is only defending yourself and not trying to help the community? Counter your arguments? Did I not already done that? Selective memory?

You seem to think that telling me that im biased and my opinion is biased etc etc is discussing the topic. It is not. Thats merely discussing me. As much as i love your attention, i must digress.

Im being productive since i am DEFENDING my position. Thats part of debate.

By cutting down your nonesense and showing that you arent arguing with me, just wasting my time.

The only person who has done any counter-argument to me is Snow Bunny.

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

lyra, I suppose I argue against a larger generalization of the inscription system because it takes the sheer interest out of prophecies. Proph skins aren't all that interesting, and the reason certain weapons have been so attractive is because they are so difficult to acquire.

I can easily negate your argument by pointing out that what you state is based on personal tastes and does not reflect the actual possible outcome.

I know a LOT of players who prefer Factions and Prophecies skins to any Nightfall skins (with few exceptions) and would certainly appreciate usable versions of rare skinned weapons (Ornate Shield for me!)

I would certainly say its true that certain items are only highly valued purely on their rarity. As such, even if the inscribable system were added, they would still be higher in value since they are still rare, inscription or not.

The inscription system does not affect how easily it is to get a rare weapon. Merely that all rare weapons can become more easily useable.

The only thing that truly depreciated inscribable items was really the introduction of Hardmode and finding specific farm areas for rare items (Dead sword, Dead Bow and Colossal scimitar come to mind).

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I mean, those Req8 perfect fellblades are amazing. With the inscription system, you don't see any q8 max weapons (I haven't at least, and no one else I know has either), and so with the inscription system, you begin to turn the items towards utility as opposed to aesthetics, which is largely a pointless move, because max weapons are so easy to acquire in the first place.

Thus, the only purpose of a Q8 perfect weapon is that it's a. rare b. interesting c. pretty good skin.

I think, that it would be hard for you to argue that items being actually valued for their use....is a bad thing.

Yes there is value in a weapon's aesthetics, but i dont see how you can argue that thats the only purpose of a weapon.

Rare pretty weapons will always be rare and pretty, regardless of inscriptions. Same with rare ugly weapons.

Its value might depreciate, but that shouldnt stop you if you really like the skin or its rarity or its functionality.

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And while you may argue that unconditional items have an advantage, if you're not tailoring multiple weapon sets to deal with every possibility in pvp that you can, why bother attempting pvp to win?

if player A can cause more damage per swing than player B, player A has an advantage. if player A can have both -2 while enchanted and -2 while in stance, while player B cannot craft such a shield, player A has an advantage.

Its really that simple. What player B has to do to overcome player A does NOT negate the fact that player A still has an inherent advantage.

edit: i apologize to manitoba and lifeinfusion for not acknowledging that they countered some of my points too.